tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post4752580664396679103..comments2024-03-27T05:56:36.051-04:00Comments on H A R L E M + B E S P O K E: ☞ READ: Condos Converted to Group HomeUlysseshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00817576268296958520noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-86427546637565860222012-01-28T02:48:01.490-05:002012-01-28T02:48:01.490-05:00Sanou - I wrote 3 (three) unrelated adults.
you ...Sanou - I wrote 3 (three) unrelated adults. <br /><br />you can have your menage.<br /><br />evan a party or two.<br /><br /><br />what you can't have is a group home in a multifamily residence.mike212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-2808817968906366402012-01-27T17:55:28.408-05:002012-01-27T17:55:28.408-05:00Really? Guess that knocks out menage a tois, rooma...Really? Guess that knocks out menage a tois, roomates, etc. Who knew?Sanou's mumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-32492759316897573922012-01-27T15:21:55.833-05:002012-01-27T15:21:55.833-05:00Discrimination - not selling a condo unit to someo...Discrimination - not selling a condo unit to someone because they are disabled. and yes I agree that is wrong.<br /><br />NOT Discrimination: Not allowing any kind of "group" home with more then 3 unrelated adults living on the premise. its actually against the zoning law.mike212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-1961018979191839452012-01-26T19:21:33.187-05:002012-01-26T19:21:33.187-05:00you’re right. Not your are. Giant pitbull and 124 ...you’re right. Not your are. Giant pitbull and 124 cats were reminding me it was past their dinner time as I was typing. That’s my excuse and I’m stickin’ to it.Sanou's mumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-31213175072880606052012-01-26T18:55:14.207-05:002012-01-26T18:55:14.207-05:00Discriminating against the disabled in housing is ...Discriminating against the disabled in housing is alao illegal in America.<br /><br />And if I WAS moving to 140th and Lenox the group home would be the least of my worries.Vic Vegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17223286245820221712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-49933536696609796282012-01-26T18:32:44.113-05:002012-01-26T18:32:44.113-05:00well, speaking only for my evidently liberal self....well, speaking only for my evidently liberal self. . . how would I feel if I spent my life savings plus borrowed money and bought a condo and a small group home bought a unit in the same building? Frankly I don’t think I would give a rat’s one way or another. But then I would not have sunk all my money into a condo.<br /><br />And your are right, Harlem IS America and as such we cannot and should not discriminate as to who is allowed to live where. I do believe there are laws against such things. . . you know, those pesky civil rights laws?Sanou's mumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-51945681127769604382012-01-26T17:14:01.249-05:002012-01-26T17:14:01.249-05:00So that's it? its a gamble - you bought a cond...So that's it? its a gamble - you bought a condo with your life savings and they sell the last few to a group home. Ahh sorry, N to the No. <br />First I just asked a question - a legitimate question - still waiting on answers. <br />And Yea , I have a right to protect MY investment - so I gonna do what I can to stop what I think will hurt my property values. Harlem is in America last I checked.mike212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-86868804108294222962012-01-26T16:42:58.931-05:002012-01-26T16:42:58.931-05:00oh, I’m sorry, are you saying “liberals” like it’s...oh, I’m sorry, are you saying “liberals” like it’s a bad thing?<br /><br />Buying real estate as an investment is a gamble. Always has been. Always will be.Sanou's mumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-34742419239915142342012-01-26T11:54:34.120-05:002012-01-26T11:54:34.120-05:00^ - and all you liberals - ask yourself this and b...^ - and all you liberals - ask yourself this and be honest - would you be happy if you spent a lot of your money (and borrowed a ton too) to buy a place and find out a group home is moving into the next unit?mike212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-73442839078337294952012-01-25T16:42:11.623-05:002012-01-25T16:42:11.623-05:00I just think it is difficult for people to swallow...I just think it is difficult for people to swallow if you bought your unit, this will depress the value of the property for sure. That is unfortunate but true.HarlemBBCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-50374629420639660512012-01-25T11:39:25.981-05:002012-01-25T11:39:25.981-05:00Vic—finally something you and I agree on. Who woul...Vic—finally something you and I agree on. Who woulda thunk?<br /><br />But CB10, according to yesterday’s DNA Info (useful site, that), says that they are now considering things on a case by case situation. Perhaps hell is truly freezing over.Sanou's mumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-48753570965731365182012-01-25T10:56:52.186-05:002012-01-25T10:56:52.186-05:00CB10 as usual, either over-reacts or does not reac...CB10 as usual, either over-reacts or does not react to what it is supposed to.<br /><br />A group home consisting of 5-7 developmentally disabled men and their attendant staff does not equal a rehab center, halfway house for parolees or homeless shelter or other dreaded NIMBY neighborhood blight.<br /><br />All social service outreach outlets are not the same. <br /><br />I know that judging things on a case by case basis takes time and extra thought but that is what a community board is for. If the CB10 members want to be knee jerk reactionaries let them go online where at least they can't influence anything.<br /><br />In this market CB10 should probably just be happy that somebody is buying into Savoy West. Half of these things look empty when I pass them.<br /><br />Vic VegaVic Vegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17223286245820221712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-7279214052951461432012-01-25T09:07:49.426-05:002012-01-25T09:07:49.426-05:00CB 10 is considering reversing its decision. I fin...CB 10 is considering reversing its decision. I find the willingness of people on this thread to equate massive housing projects, methadone clinics and facilities for ex-offenders with a group home for 5 developmentally disabled (no quotes needed) young men and two caregivers baffling.Sanou's Mumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-7245384590410216002012-01-25T08:13:19.006-05:002012-01-25T08:13:19.006-05:00Harlem is home to the needy, and many undeservedly...Harlem is home to the needy, and many undeservedly so with the massive housing projects encouraging generational welfare. In fact you could argue much of Harlem is a welfare case. Harlem residents and tax payers have the right to say, enough already, however deserving the cases. Harlem needs tax payers and those that want to bring the neighborhood up. It is a good thing CB10 is drawing a line in the sand, unfortunately it is saying no to those through no fault of their own are “developmentally disabled” which we have seen is a touchy subject.westsiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054880627414562052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-33439584194679804222012-01-25T07:54:24.807-05:002012-01-25T07:54:24.807-05:00btw, when you say no outreach from the churches I ...btw, when you say no outreach from the churches I think perhaps you are just not seeing it. While I can hardly speak for churches about which I have no knowledge I do know that the lovely church in the middle of my block has a meal programme and a clothing programme and a food pantry. The large church on Lenox and 120th has a food programme and a food pantry. My church in Chelsea has a soup kitchen that supplies 1200+ meals per day, 5 days a week. Even the small storefront church on the corner has an elderly gentleman who sits outside (weather permitting) and gives out fruit.<br /><br />You might want to take a quick inner look and ask yourself what you have done lately for your community.Sanou's mumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-8894397075335130082012-01-25T06:58:36.840-05:002012-01-25T06:58:36.840-05:00@Darlene. I am unsure what the connection is betwe...@Darlene. I am unsure what the connection is between establishing a small group home for five mentally retarded young men and two attendants and your grudge against churches but I hope you feel better for venting. <br /><br />As we say on the block,‘have a blessed day’.Sanou's mumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-23822166452653992102012-01-25T01:54:53.331-05:002012-01-25T01:54:53.331-05:00@GUEST I completely agree. You really hit the nail...@GUEST I completely agree. You really hit the nail on the head. All the other backs and forths( sanou) are irrelivent. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Change is inevitable. As for the church comment I completely agree. I, in all my years here have hardly ever seen an outreach in our community and that is a shame! Truly if all these churches would help the cause in this neighborhood we would have been better years and years ago!Trissnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-42652873342021892962012-01-24T18:47:25.047-05:002012-01-24T18:47:25.047-05:00I'm glad to hear that Harlem isn't going t...I'm glad to hear that Harlem isn't going to be the dumping ground for the neediest anymore. I don't understand why people feel that because Harlem has a history of being a home to the impoverished, it's best to turn an up-and-coming neighborhood to those most in need. There are a gazillion churches in the area. Where is their outreach? How are they helping the impoverished and needy? I see them blocking the streets, taking in funds, but giving back to the community? Not so much! If every church in Harlem gave away 10% of their donations, Harlem would be glowing with love and support. Instead we have crime and suspicion. Harlem churches should pay taxes like the rest of us.Darlenenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-88168100767548631032012-01-24T18:01:05.443-05:002012-01-24T18:01:05.443-05:00I would have to agree with WestSider and CB10 (a f...I would have to agree with WestSider and CB10 (a first for me -- agreeing with CB10)! I have a developmentally disabled brother-in-law and uncle, so this is not a case of NIMBY. But it seems to me that Harlem has lots of these places already, and frankly, we don't need any more. I also feel for the people already in the building. If I had paid top dollar for a space there and then this plan came about, I would consider a law suit.Vincenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-26334392158055548202012-01-24T17:13:18.865-05:002012-01-24T17:13:18.865-05:00Firstly, Harlem is an affordable neighbourhood. I ...Firstly, Harlem is an affordable neighbourhood. I don’t know where you live, but 119th is hardly 72nd and Park. Secondly, money is not the issue here. Resources may be limited but they are there. Thirdly, people, especially those for whom life is difficult, should live in as pleasant and familiar a place as possible, easy to reach for family and friends so they are not isolated and located as close as possible to familiar things—churches, parks, shops. Places where they are known, comfortable and made to feel welcome, just as my boy is on our block, in local stores and the park and swimming pool.Sanou's mumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-48620051907806564492012-01-24T16:47:15.629-05:002012-01-24T16:47:15.629-05:00SM, my point is, with all things in life, there ar...SM, my point is, with all things in life, there are limited resources to go around, why blow those resources on a few in an expensive area when those same resources could help many. Or maybe those same resources for seven men could be spent at a condo at the plaza for one individual and the other six go without, now that really would be mean spirited. I am not suggesting larger facilities either, I am suggesting similar arrangements in a more affordable neighborhood.westsiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054880627414562052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-47041978499756680192012-01-24T16:40:25.425-05:002012-01-24T16:40:25.425-05:00Really, y’all? A little light on the ‘there but fo...Really, y’all? A little light on the ‘there but for the grace of God go I’. Y’all’s lives are so blessed that any inconvenience is out of the question, so good on you.<br /><br />"And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Since you have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, you have done it unto me."<br /><br />A good thing to remember, whether one is religious or not.Sanou's mumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-4162249838226225252012-01-24T16:15:17.410-05:002012-01-24T16:15:17.410-05:00If I was a unit owner in that building I would be ...If I was a unit owner in that building I would be furious. I have lived next to a group home for the mentally challenged, retarded or whatever the current PC term is and believe me it is not easy.<br /><br />These were 16 to 20 year olds and some of them were pretty stable while others were not so much so. I cannot see how "integrating" them into a "luxury" building can possibly make any sense.<br /><br />This is not being mean just being realistic, i mean would you want a hospital moving into your home?HarlemBBCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-89124757488811008302012-01-24T16:12:37.614-05:002012-01-24T16:12:37.614-05:00westsider, what exactly do you HAVE in your backya...westsider, what exactly do you HAVE in your backyard that makes you so against having a group of seven mentally challenged men in a small group setting?<br /><br />And no, it is not better for them to be in larger facilities in less expensive neighbourhoods. (Less expensive than Harlem? Really?) Like most humans those with handicaps do far better in smaller, more intimate and supportive environments. That was Willowbrook. That was Staten Island, out of the way. Out of sight, out of mind. If that was before your time, Google it.Sanou's mumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-75801805312066177262012-01-24T16:04:44.752-05:002012-01-24T16:04:44.752-05:00Just an fyi, I forwarded the DNA article to two ad...Just an fyi, I forwarded the DNA article to two advocates with whom I work and there is strong legal precedence that over rules “saturation” issues when it comes to the disabled. YAI prevailed in a similar case in Washington Heights and was able to establish a group home.<br /><br />I can forward the information to those interested.Sanou's mumnoreply@blogger.com