tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post4876417420384039732..comments2024-03-27T05:56:36.051-04:00Comments on H A R L E M + B E S P O K E: ☞ WALK: 2192-2196 FDB Finishes UpUlysseshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00817576268296958520noreply@blogger.comBlogger124125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-3077834577811458332010-07-17T07:17:58.850-04:002010-07-17T07:17:58.850-04:00Thank you Pete.
Long threads like this --you DO ...Thank you Pete. <br /><br />Long threads like this --you DO need a score card.Sanou's Mumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-35854895683603437712010-07-16T16:31:27.702-04:002010-07-16T16:31:27.702-04:00As regards the rental question, I said that near t...As regards the rental question, I said that near the start of the thread !<br />One of the bodies involved or a part owner deals in affordable housing of whatever kinds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-65205418172222478882010-07-16T16:22:54.365-04:002010-07-16T16:22:54.365-04:00I'm not saying people need to post their SSN a...I'm not saying people need to post their SSN and photo in a profile, but having posters at least enter a pseudonym would alleviate some of the difficulty in reading through a thread such as this one...Petenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-71782159917267690992010-07-16T16:16:17.646-04:002010-07-16T16:16:17.646-04:00Those buildings may be rentals, but many of the un...Those buildings may be rentals, but many of the unpurchased developments in Harlem are not. And the ones that have have turned into rentals or rent a portion of their stock are doing so in order to not sell at a reduced rate. If those buildings are in fact rentals, there is a chance that was not the original intention of the development.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-42784474567759784362010-07-16T16:02:38.154-04:002010-07-16T16:02:38.154-04:00After 120 comments arguing about condos, aren'...After 120 comments arguing about condos, aren't the buildings in question rental buildings? <br /><br />The owner is Tahl Propp a big landlord in Harlem. The buildings are two of about a dozen shells they bought in 2004 after the church mortgage scandal a few years before. They're selling off the others (we bought one) - many of the shells being sold in Harlem are their scandal siblings.Beating Upwindhttp://www.168w123.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-57937749513468969552010-07-16T14:37:50.931-04:002010-07-16T14:37:50.931-04:00Also, I think the nature of this post got people w...Also, I think the nature of this post got people who normally do not comment inspired enough to say something. There were some great anon statements in this thread. If more anon people in Harlem got up a said something we would all be better off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-48308188938205322392010-07-16T14:28:05.111-04:002010-07-16T14:28:05.111-04:00I’m all for anonymous posts, it allows a wider var...I’m all for anonymous posts, it allows a wider variety of opinions, for better or worse, first amendment and all that.westsiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054880627414562052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-62589391163692606772010-07-16T14:21:06.345-04:002010-07-16T14:21:06.345-04:00I do not see anything wrong with the majority of t...I do not see anything wrong with the majority of the posts on here. In fact it was probably one of the more interesting comment string on this site in a while.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-9483413831051868882010-07-16T14:13:09.871-04:002010-07-16T14:13:09.871-04:00Ulysses: This thread is insane. It seems to have...Ulysses: This thread is insane. It seems to have turned around somewhat, but I don't know who this works for.<br /><br />We need to disable anonymous posts. This won't stop anyone from posting who wants to, but it could at least make threads with more than a few comments somewhere closer to readable...Petenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-16558951548787117992010-07-16T13:42:23.820-04:002010-07-16T13:42:23.820-04:00Westsider: We do care. We are working very hard on...Westsider: We do care. We are working very hard on it as we speak. <br />Regarding the terrace, though, there is some outnumbering.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-63477253595900965232010-07-16T13:00:56.783-04:002010-07-16T13:00:56.783-04:00Living in Harlem you get real used to blocking it ...Living in Harlem you get real used to blocking it out. Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes it is better than it was 10 years ago, but often times you are witness to the perpetual cycle. And that is sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-47579296900940654452010-07-16T12:59:20.198-04:002010-07-16T12:59:20.198-04:0012:45PM, The problem individuals will collect in a...12:45PM, The problem individuals will collect in areas where no one cares. If that block you mention had active and involved neighbors the problem individuals would eventually move to a new block where no one is active and involved.westsiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054880627414562052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-12838989760165080882010-07-16T12:45:01.235-04:002010-07-16T12:45:01.235-04:00I am in complete agreement with the westsider post...I am in complete agreement with the westsider poster. <br />Except ... some of the core bad areas have actually gotten worse of late. FDB between 125th and 135th comes to mind as one example. The crack and prostitute people once living on the lot between FDB and St. N., 128th street, have migrated to St. Nicholas Terrace, 127th Street, etc., which was already in trouble.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-90874441787938090922010-07-16T12:21:44.653-04:002010-07-16T12:21:44.653-04:0011:53AM, You are wrong, I have observed significan...11:53AM, You are wrong, I have observed significant change in behavior over the years, behavior that was once tolerated is now no longer acceptable as I have seen the blocks improve. So your suggestion that newcomers have to put up or leave is all wrong. In my experience newcomers should get involved in their community and get involved in not tolerating littering, drug selling etc and things do improve slowly.westsiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054880627414562052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-12590311715282762102010-07-16T12:14:19.877-04:002010-07-16T12:14:19.877-04:00@11:53
"these people"?
Oy.@11:53<br /><br />"these people"?<br /><br />Oy.Sanou's Mumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-70978023937935204212010-07-16T12:13:09.088-04:002010-07-16T12:13:09.088-04:00There are at least 500+ market rate apartments in ...There are at least 500+ market rate apartments in central harlem alone right now in real estate inventory for sale, and that does not include the townhouses that are being bought for renovation. 11:35 essentially said what you did, 11:35, except that when these apartments are filled the ratio will change. Additionally the HDFC properties can eventually become market rate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-13524875855905221932010-07-16T12:09:28.186-04:002010-07-16T12:09:28.186-04:0011:53: You CAN do something about the destructive ...11:53: You CAN do something about the destructive people. Yes, they live in subsidized housing, and not just the obvious projects. If they are a nuisance and this is legitimate, they can and will be removed if people adopt a zero tolerance stance. The subsidized buildings took taxpayer properties, and many are still under the observation of HPD or whomever else. Complain. Get names. Create paper trails. You agreed, as a taxpayer, on these transactions, and you DO have something to say about how your money has been spent. <br /><br />For those who are not a nuisance, who cares ? I am sorry to say that in my experience many of them are, however, it is still important to judge on a case-by-case basis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-56365657591355954392010-07-16T11:53:55.587-04:002010-07-16T11:53:55.587-04:0011:35, you're not very knowledged on Harlem. ...11:35, you're not very knowledged on Harlem. The subsidized housing population (projects, sec. 8, etc.) out-number equity holders (coops,condos,brownstones/townhouses) by 500 to 1 or more. They are young, they're having babies, what you did not know when you moved to Harlem is the entrenched poverty class, their density, they are immunized from every being priced out due to social welfare programs of one sort or another. Housing, Food, Medical, they have no fiscal concerns. Their numbers are vast, look it up. When you moved to Harlem, you accepted that you will live amongst and in between poverty and the welfare class going forward. That's it. It will always be (in our lifetimes). These people are immunized from the economy, the cost of living, there is nothing driving them out. I suggest you deal with it or move.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-27560266942028649692010-07-16T11:35:50.803-04:002010-07-16T11:35:50.803-04:00With the density of subsidized housing in Harlem, ...With the density of subsidized housing in Harlem, unfortunately many of the residents do not feel it to be a privilege to live here, like it is owed to them. Similarly many of the middle class bought here because they could barely afford it yet wanted to live in the city. In the process that gave up much of their life savings to buy in. Those people feel like they have an investment in the community.... the more mix of owners to offset the subsidized in Harlem will make the change. They are the ones that will call the cops and the sanitation dep. When the developers move the condo's you will see a difference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-47228231194893346602010-07-16T11:34:41.608-04:002010-07-16T11:34:41.608-04:00If you post a "no loitering sign" on the...If you post a "no loitering sign" on the building-- you've seen them a million times--you can call the cops for trespass if people are on your stoop. <br /><br />Here on beautiful 119 cops have been doing loitering sweeps for a couple of weeks.Sanou's Mumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-47111651451926490822010-07-16T11:19:22.067-04:002010-07-16T11:19:22.067-04:00Poster at 9:28: I lived most of my life on Mott St...Poster at 9:28: I lived most of my life on Mott Street, i.e., downtown, where sitting outside was a major and positive part of daily life. I think it could be more that people new to New York in general do not know what to make of the sidewalk culture, even when innocent and positive. In that neighborhood, littering and belligerence did not exist. At all. <br /><br />It is not hard to distinguish between "flavor" and destructive behavior, especially in your own neighborhood. If, on your way to work in the AM, there are heaps of Popeye's and related garbage, beer, and whatever else, this is not positive sidewalk culture. <br /><br />The police will be present where people are persistent in making complaints. Ditto the city. in some areas, the police are reluctant because they know too well what is going on and those things of which some people are capable. But when taxpayers complain and draw attention, things happen, even when feet are dragged initially.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-33322718049427407592010-07-16T09:39:57.292-04:002010-07-16T09:39:57.292-04:009:18AM I don’t think you will see more beat cops w...9:18AM I don’t think you will see more beat cops with budget cuts and all, but the police a relying more on neighbors to keep on top of the illegal activity and to report it. In fact the police are very happy to get neighborhood support as Harlem has a history of anti police culture that needs to change.westsiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054880627414562052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-69481023400790136252010-07-16T09:28:46.965-04:002010-07-16T09:28:46.965-04:00In my opinion the stoop culture is not a bad one a...In my opinion the stoop culture is not a bad one and part of Harlem’s positive engaging culture that may be alien to those from downtown. But some stoop culture is plain illegal and it is best to report it and report it often, and report from different concerned neighbors.westsiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054880627414562052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-26175712170798888372010-07-16T09:18:32.874-04:002010-07-16T09:18:32.874-04:00I do not have a problem with people hanging out on...I do not have a problem with people hanging out on fron tof their buildings on the sidewalk. I do not even have a problem with people getting a little loud as the night progresses, especially on the weekends. The problem is that when you mix alcohol with that, the loud starts to become slightly menacing... and then the littering becomes more noticeable. Then walk down every other street where people are not necessarily sitting on their stoops as a community, but it is one or two guys with a backpack selling drugs on someone's stoop. We are so sensitive about keeping the flavor and identity of Harlem, that we are keep some of the bad flavor and identity. If we are such a community, you would think all the people on their doorsteps every night would be the neighborhood watch. But amongst that the drug dealers still roam, and the drunks, and the litterers. We as a community need to stop having a blind eye to the activities that are negatively effecting our community. And I wish I saw a few more cops on the streets in the night and evening doing the same.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2048034911181517049.post-57499942369577014182010-07-16T09:10:52.784-04:002010-07-16T09:10:52.784-04:00I agree with the poster at 11:04 that not all loit...I agree with the poster at 11:04 that not all loitering is created equal. <br />Fortunately, I have never found it difficult to distinguish the trouble from the socializing. And I have made many friends ! <br />Many of the project building managements have placed signs, "No hanging out on the steps," because they know that this is often the occasion for drug sales, harassment of passers-by, littering, and other fun stuff. Unfortunately, the destructive residents inevitably defy the signs, usually sitting directly beneath them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com