UPDATE: THERE WERE ONLY TWO SUSPECTS INVOLVED IN THE ROBBERY AND BOTH ARE NOW IN CUSTODY. All the papers this morning are covering yesterday's 9:30 AM car chase that ended in a fatal crash at 122nd Street and Lenox. The chain of events started when a 21-year-old Columbia student reported that he was robbed at gunpoint by two men (at Lenox and 123rd) who then took off in a a blue minivan. An unmarked patrol car pulled over the vehicle 20 blocks north but were only able to arrest the driver before the other suspect took control of the car and sped back down Lenox. The car hit another car close to the original scene of the crime and killed an elderly nun who was crossing the street. Really sad on so many levels. Read more in DNAinfo: LINK. Photo by Jill Colvin.
Wednesday, June 23, 2010
☞ READ: Yesterday's Fatal Car Chase on Lenox
UPDATE: THERE WERE ONLY TWO SUSPECTS INVOLVED IN THE ROBBERY AND BOTH ARE NOW IN CUSTODY. All the papers this morning are covering yesterday's 9:30 AM car chase that ended in a fatal crash at 122nd Street and Lenox. The chain of events started when a 21-year-old Columbia student reported that he was robbed at gunpoint by two men (at Lenox and 123rd) who then took off in a a blue minivan. An unmarked patrol car pulled over the vehicle 20 blocks north but were only able to arrest the driver before the other suspect took control of the car and sped back down Lenox. The car hit another car close to the original scene of the crime and killed an elderly nun who was crossing the street. Really sad on so many levels. Read more in DNAinfo: LINK. Photo by Jill Colvin.
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Devastating.
ReplyDeleteIn broad daylight now. Where are the parents of these thugs? Where is Al Sharpton with the outcry about this? Where is the protest from the community? More accountability from parents is what we need, otherwise Harlem will continue to be a failure.
ReplyDeleteThat's just sad that that's happening in the middle of the day...
ReplyDeleteWhy don't we see more uniformed police walking around? I think a visible police presence would reduce incidents like this - especially if they concentrated on problem spots. 123 between 6th and 7th (which is pretty much where this all started) is known as "body block" for all the dead bodies over the years. We could use a more visible police presence on blocks like that.
8:54, Shouldn't you also ask, "Where is God"? Having a Nun die in this manner?
ReplyDeleteMany parts of the USA have a NO HIGH SPEED police chase policy. It has to be discussed. In a dense foot traffic environment like Manhattan, does it makes sense to allow NYPD to engage in high speed police pursuit? This is a high speed police pursuit case.
ReplyDeleteAre you all okay with the NYPD here? If someone is robbed at gunpoint or whatever, any time of the day, are you all okay with the NYPD engaging in High Speed Chases on Lenox, FDB, 125th, etc. when people are in prime time on their way to work, kids on their way to school, etc.
Seems reckless to me, any lots of areas of outlawed this type of policing as it puts the community at risk. I am not blaming the NYPD, I am just asking if you all are okay and comfortable with NYPD High Speed Chases, any time of day, any busy street, etc.
Coincidentally, USA Today just published a report on the outcomes of hot pursuits. It found many end with a death. Most chilling: “Innocent bystanders account for one-third of those who are killed in high-speed police chases.”
ReplyDeleteAccording to government statistics cited by the paper, about 360 people are killed each year in high-speed police chases, although some experts peg the number as substantially higher. About 35 to 40 percent of all such chases end in crashes, the paper found.
http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/investigative/entries/2010/04/26/highspeed_police_chases_are_th.html
I’m all for more cameras, I think the city is limited on the cameras they can introduce but private individuals can install their own cameras whose recordings can be used by the police.
ReplyDeleteI don't agree with 9:03AM. I would rather have the police do everything they can to apprehend gun-toting criminals than to let them go because they pass a certain mph. This ain't LA. These psychos already robbed someone at gunpoint at 9am. Who know how many more people might have been killed if they didn't feel the cops were on their tails. I say throw these kids and their parents in jail.
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with Westsider. High tech surveillance cameras would help solve a lot of crime issues especially during the day.
ReplyDeleteIt seems awfully misguided for one's initial reaction to this story to be "Do we think the NYPD handled this properly?"
ReplyDeleteThat's about 10th on my list of things to care about here. 1-9 are how do we prevent people from getting stabbed and held up in broad daylight in the neighborhood?
I can't figure out how the peeps got into such a horrifying crash, presumably with airbags going off and still managed to get out and take off and one still at large. Helicopters overhead for hours.
ReplyDeleteLenox, both street and sidewalk, closed for about six hours. For what reason?
And how was the driver, originally a passenger, allowed to scoot over during the first stop and get behind the wheel?
Regarding high speed chases, I’m all for the police engaging in a high speed chase as guns where involved, however I know for lesser offences the NYPD will not engage in a high speed chase in the interest of public safety. I rely on the NYPD to make the correct judgment call regarding public safety. If there is any reckless behavior it is the culture of single parent families and lack of parenting that produce these situations.
ReplyDeleteIn a city as crowded with foot traffic as NYC, high-speed car chases are absolutely insane. What started out as a robbery where no one was hurt(despite the presence of a firearm) ended up as an absolute tragedy which ended in the death of innocent people. The ability to catch the perpetrators does not necessarily end if they get away in a vehicle. The police can use other means of investigation to find the suspects if they can't immediately apprehend them. Sure, it is obviously preferable to apprehend them on the spot, but the risks involved in a high-speed car chase through crowded city streets are way too high to be justified, especially in a situation like this.
ReplyDeleteThe tragedy is the Nun who died devoted herself to the children of Harlem, maybe even the thugs who killed her when they where younger.
ReplyDeleteWhite people respond differently to this. 9:14 wants to give the police the right to violate our civil rights, as does 9:28. You see Black people have been on the receiving end of stop and frisk, profiling, you name it. You White people want to give the NYPD the authority to "do all they can to get criminals". High Speed Chases at prime pedestrian time in a congested city like Manhattan? You deferring unlimited authority to the NYPD? Well That translates to me and my Black butt being stopped for no reason other than "I fit a profile", -> Black Male.
ReplyDeleteCan at 12:30, the lunch hour, can the cops engage in open fire at 125th & 7th Ave? What's the difference in a High Speed Police Chase and the open fire on crowded streets?
White people, read this well. You moved to Harlem. You would be shocked to learn how many people carry guns and knives on the street. You would be naive to walk down the street assuming you're safe and at no risk, no risk of a nut, a loon, a crazy fool, a drug addict needing a fix, etc. White people have no clue as to how many Black people in Harlem live day to day and feeling they've got nothing to lose. They don't fear prison. In fact prison offers regular meals and a place to sleep.
Hence when you high density of Black men that are poorly educated, never had a job, have a drug problem, are mentally off, and have no fear or concern of law, well robbing is pretty easy for them. Black people know this. We live in Harlem knowing this reality is entrenched here and are not shocked to learn of people being robbed any time of the day, any place. This is not news to Black people.
And just because this happens, we are sick and tired of being profiled, stopped and frisked, we DO NOT give the NYPD the authority or right to violate our rights, we also do not want open fire shooting in congestion, and NYPD High Speed Pursuit in prime pedestrian time is just flat our crazy and asking for something like what has just happened.
I'm sick of White people deferring authority to the NYPD to "do everything they can..." as 9:14am said, and as 9:28 has basically said.
You all emotionalize matters by saying, "they have guns, they stabbed someone in broad day light". Again, you moved to Harlem. If you moved to the woods, would you be equally shocked to see a bear crapping next to a tree?
Couple of points. Don't blame the NYPD for trying to chase these guys down. They didn't kill the nun, the bastards who tried to rob a kid at gunpoint did.
ReplyDeleteHigh tech surveillance cameras? I thought these were already in place across the city, or is it only in the wealthier parts? As one of the most frequented areas for tourists, I thought this area of Harlem would be pretty well set up. I used to be opposed to these, but in London they are everywhere and for the most part do a great job.
Lastly, we all know it is a long fight. So much good work has been done to get to this point, but this is once again evidence that this is a constant fight.
For Sister Celine Graham, R.I.P.
The opinions here are very interesting, they demonstrate a difference between the old Harlem and the new Harlem, the old Harlem does not support the police, the new Harlem does support the police.
ReplyDelete9:42 has valid points. They are neither pretty nor comfortable but they are valid.
ReplyDeleteSadly incidents like this are not restricted to Harlem.
anon @ 9:42, I don't think anybody is calling for social profiling. In fact, looking at 9:14 and 9:28, I just don't see it. Asking how can we prevent people from getting stabbed and held up in broad daylight in the neighborhood is not social profiling.
ReplyDeleteCan someone point to a source that states how fast the police were travelling in this incident? I have found no corroboration of their "high-speed" chase.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure how the anonymous poster @9:42 can presume to determine which commenters are black and which are white.
ReplyDeleteHi Anon 10:05,
ReplyDeleteI think 9:42 is just using stereotypes....I agree that it is kind of strange, however there is some truth to what he/she is pointing out.
Honestly, I have to say though that I am surprised that not more is happening in the streets. It is a recension, gentrification anger and race issues are a toxic mix.
I am very sad to hear about the nun.
Very sad. I think the cost benefit of high-speed police chase does not pay. Agree cameras are better, but they won't stop somebody with nothing to lose necessarily.
ReplyDeleteThere does seem to have been a fair number of recent violent crimes in the area - wonder if this is a blip or a true increase. I still think the former as violent crime nationwide continues to fall, even through the recession. Remember a couple years ago how there were quite a few violent crimes in Central Harlem then almost nothing the next year. What do others think?
Here's a prediction... The hoodlums are not even from the area, but likely from another borough. Do poor Black folk drive around their own neighborhood and rob people? So in a situation like that (I'm addressing 9:42am) would the same argument hold, that it's the downtrodden old school locals versus the stupid rich newbies?
ReplyDeleteI love the way that 9.42 writes as if Harlem and the problems of its poor, undereducated, desperate classes are Black problems (and by implication only Black problems).
ReplyDeleteAnd then writes stereotyping another race, saying that White people "have no idea...."
Yet neglects to mention all the poor, undereducated, desperate Hispanics who live in Harlem? Or even credit the few poor, desperate Whites who live here.
There is only one racist post in this comments section, and it is very clear which one.
9:42 is an ignorant a**. However you came to your ridiculous assumptions about the color of the skin of posters whom you cannot see is beyond me. Your attitude is what is holding us all back as a people. Assuming that because your black and live in Harlem that you have to just put up with violence as a way of life is the mentality that has kept us down since slavery. No, not every black person in Harlem walks around with a gun or a knife nor do we expect to be threatened by a gun or a knife in our lifetime. Maybe you missed the string of stabbings recently in Marcus Garvey Park by a 20 year old with blond hair and blue eyes? Ignorance. Pure ignorance and unfortunate complacency about being somehow doomed to live a less than safe existence. You keep us all down.
ReplyDeleteWhy is the condemnation of criminal behavior racist? These highwaymen robbed an innocent, and were ultimately responsible for the death of an innocent in their attempt to escape.
ReplyDeleteIt's the criminals who should be condemned by all -- regardless of race.
And im not sure how the logic follows that 1-all black people in Harlem have guns and knives BUT 2-the NYPD are totally racist for stopping and frisking black people. IF ALL BLACK PEOPLE HAVE GUNS THEN SHOULDN'T THE NYPD STOP US AND FRISK US??? 9:42 is just out of his mind. Let's move on and try to refocus back onto this horrible incident.
ReplyDeletePeople please don't feed into 9:42's fear mongering. He seems to be among the few old Harlemites who want to instill fear in the hearts of newcomers as a way to scare us away to preserve his way of life and keep his rent low. By the way I am a proud new Harlemite and a minority.
ReplyDeleteThings are changing in Harlem, period! This is a beautifully mixed community and it belongs to all of us! It's our responsibility to improve it and protect it...so, if you see something say something. And let's make sure that we all do our best to attend the next NYPD community meeting (28th Precinct, July 14th at 6:30, 2271-89 8th Ave., 212-678-1611)...call ahead to verify date/time. Harlem will continue to move forward!
Anon 11:34, well said. Momentum will keep the ball rolling in the right direction. Sadly, incidents like these will occur, but it won't be enough to derail all of the good work. The desperate efforts of the lazy contingent who don't want things to change are an indication of that. Sorry, but Harlem isn't just about guns and Black people walking around in a state of despair. Maybe that is how it has been portrayed in the media for years, but there is a strong movement of people (all races and nationalities, residents old and new) who want to rid Harlem of the disturbing relics of the past and celebrate the rich, cultural diversity of the future.
ReplyDeleteA few points:
ReplyDelete1)The perpetrators sped away from the scene. They were speeding regardless of whether the police were chasing them or not. They crashed and caused the death and injuries.
2)The police do have a "no chase policy" for certain things - for example, the police at the 28th precinct told us at the community meeting that will not give chase to the motocycle group that speeds through Harlem and ignores traffic rules.
3) The next precinct community meeting is not until September (they are on hiatus for July and August)
4) In regard to the black/white police issue, it is worth keeping in mind that most of the officers of the 28th precinct are not white. In fact the entire NYPD is now majority minorities. It isn't as easy to stereotype as some want it to be. What the vast majority of people want, regardless of color or class, is to live in a safe community.
9:42 - don;t bring economics and poor unemplyed black youth into it. There are dirt poor asians in queens, dirt poor white trash that do not have the same culture as blacks. We as a people must change. We must change our culture. Look at our brother Geoffrey Canada and the Harlem Children's Zone. He doesn't sit there and say "it is what it is" he goes out to change this culture we have developed. and it is working. We give up on our youth instead of teaching them right from wrong.
ReplyDeleteNo excuses 9:42 - don;t go off on white people. Our guy is president now and we have got to lift ourselves up out of this violent black ghetto culture and live more civil an have more respect for people. Period.
No excuses Harlem.
Bravo, Anon 2:03!
ReplyDeleteEvery day in Harlem I watch dozens of reckless youth (seemingly aged 13-23) riding in a pack of 4 to 12 on dirt bike motorcyles on the streets of Harlem. They wear no helmets, the motorcycles are not street legal, they have no license plates, the youth drive reckless, often the opposite way of the traffic, they obey no laws and present a risk. I saw a women with a baby in a stroller nearly get hit by these lawbreakers.
ReplyDeleteEvery day in Harlem I watch the NYPD observe these youth and do nothing. The NYPD will stand on a corner and watch. They don't radio in the activity, they make no attempt to control this reckless behavior. One day one of these motorcyclist are going to kill someone. Is that going to be what it takes before the NYPD brings law and order to the Harlem Streets.
This would not happen in a White area of NYC. The NYPD would not allow this activity to take place. They would stop it in a single day. Everyone knows this.
Why do Harlem residents not deserve to have their police, the NYPD stop this reckless lawless activity? We all see it. We all see the NYPD do nothing. It's just a matter of time before these motorcyclist kill someone as their popping a wheel, against traffic, against a red light, and a poor pedestrian gets hit.
It's hard to respect the NYPD, when the NYPD does not lift one finger to stop this. Has any one of you ever asked the NYPD about this? Their tacit unspoken agreement to let these hooligans motor throughout Harlem freely? What is this? The Wild wild west?
You want law and order and respect in Harlem? It starts with the NYPD setting the example, not allowing for exceptions. This is ridiculous, these motorcycle gangs and their motoring the streets of Harlem with the blessing of the NYPD, this will be the next "hit" accident where someone is killed.
No Excuses NYPD. We, Harlem, deserve the same policing that would take place on the UES or Westchester.
Anon 2:03,
ReplyDeleteThat was a really moving statement you made. I'm very proud of you, whoever you are.
Anon 3;32,
ReplyDeleteIf the NYPD tried to stop it, Al Sharpton would be out crying "discrimination, civil liberty, etc.."
Re: anonymous 3:23. To the contrary, I saw the cops arresting a kid on Lenox/128th St just the other evening for reckless, helmetless motorbike riding. And while I agree that the cops don't do enough, it's not the first arrest for this that I've seen. But here's a suggestion: call it in--and often.
ReplyDeleteThe police already have the second suspect in custody - a 17 yr old. Apparently the two had committed a series of robberies yesterday morning. So let's give the NYPD a hand for good work.
ReplyDeleteTo the poster who asked why there were not more cops on the street. Most precincts no longer have beat cops. They have what are known, I think, as fast response units instead. Many people want beat cops but there would have to be a community-wide effort to lobby for them.
ReplyDeleteAnon 3:35 - don't be ridiculous. Al Sharpton may not be your cup of tea, but he would not "be out crying "discrimination, civil liberty..."" if the NYPD were to ticket or arrest the motorcycle guys who are so obviously breaking the law.
ReplyDeletePlease be advised that whenever Al Sharpton gets involved in anything, he has been summoned to do so. He does not make it a point to involve himself until he receives a call from a so-called victim or a victim's family member. Leave Al the hell alone. Thank God for him. Martin Luther King was also considered a trouble maker by the same type of people for the same reasons during his day.
ReplyDeleteBoth men involved are now in custody: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/24/nyregion/24chase.html?scp=1&sq=harlem&st=cse
ReplyDeleteGreat work to the NYPD
ReplyDeleteI agree with the suggestion above to "phone it in." When we see gratuitous law-breaking and threats to public safety, we need to call the police. If the police have decided to give certain groups a pass (e.g., motor bike gangs or churches considered "untouchable"), they should at least be reminded -- firmly, respectfully, and frequently -- of their obligation to uphold the rule of law.
ReplyDeleteThat is the only way to overturn conditions of impunity, to the extent they exist. I thank everyone here who is already doing this.
Not only can this happen almost anywhere, having the police end pursuit is no assurance that the criminal suspect will suddenly begin to demonstrate any regard for the lives of others.
ReplyDeletePer the New York Times:
"In January, Karen Schmeer, a documentary film editor, was crossing Broadway at 90th Street in Manhattan when she was mowed down by a car full of shoplifting suspects. The police had chased them, but ended the pursuit before she was hit, the department said. The driver, however, apparently continued to speed erratically."
The answer is not to create rigid guidelines that constrain the ability of police to enforce our laws. For instance, if criminals knew they only needed to run a few lights, or to simply drive faster than the speed limit (or some other arbitrary number) in order to escape punishment, there's little doubt that even more people would engage in criminal acts, subsequently attempt such evasion, and endanger the public in the process.
@Westsider.
ReplyDeleteGreat work by the NYPD? They let a suspect get behind the wheel of the car and speed away, mowing down a whole bunch of people and killing an elderly nun, they then lost the two guys, had two helicopters over the neighbourhood for hours, evidently finally found one guy, had part of Lenox closed for almost the entire day and finally got the other guy a day later.
Less than brilliant.
Sanou‘s Mum,
ReplyDeleteInteresting opinion but your position is typical of the old Harlem which is two fold.
1) Denial of the obvious, the obvious is why are 17 yr olds causing mayhem, death and destruction with firearms and runaway cars for what, $23 and a blackberry, the answer being the culture of single parent families with little or no parenting that produce these monsters.
2) Being a Monday morning quarterback with the police that have to deal with these monsters and make split second life and death decisions.
I get very frustrated with this denial of the obvious.
Not too sure of the connection between poor parenting (btw, I'm a single mom) and poor police work, Westsider. This would have been just a routine bust if the passenger hadn't slid over and gotten behind the wheel. There are two cops in a patrol car--one of them dropped the ball big time.
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ReplyDeleteSanou's Mum,
ReplyDeleteThe connection is the backwards priorities that I see in the old Harlem attitudes, being
1) The old Harlem having an eagerness to second guess the police who had to make split second decisions dealing with gun toting thugs.
Combined with
2) The old Harlem having a denial of the dysfunctional families that exist in Harlem that create these monsters.
This backwards prioritization only goes to feed a culture that enables these tragic situations.
In most other communities there would be an outcry against these thugs, but not in Harlem, it seems accepted as normal behavior while the police who have to deal with this get criticized and second guessed.
Also I know many excellent single parent families but you and I also know that is not always the case in Harlem, and as a parent you know that bad parenting and a dysfunctional home sometimes does create these monsters.
I see no denial of dysfunctional families. Block to block we know who they are. We try and help the children and we condem the parents who don't at least make an effort. (some dealers won't sell to mothers. Of course I have also seen young mothers holding a child's and and buying drugs with the other.) Calling ACS on a neighbour is almost SOP.
ReplyDeleteI don't know anyone who considers thugging normal behaviour. I don't know what area you live in but it sounds dead dodgy.
Sanou's in denial Mum,
ReplyDeleteHallelujah, it took 51 comments before you could move beyond criticizing the police and begin to acknowledge some of the real issues of dysfunctional families creating these monsters, that is what I mean by denial. Have a great day.
westsider, Do you think you help the situation when you think and speak of criminal youths as monsters? Part of the problem is when they begin to believe you and have no reason to change. These are PEOPLE who have committed crimes. I do not defend or justify their actions in any way, but dehumanizing people and making assumptions about their families reveals a lot about who (make that WHAT) you are, too.
ReplyDelete5:42, "Monster" is a valid, fair, and appropriate labeling in this case. One of the accepted definitions of "Monster" is one who deviates from normal or acceptable behavior or character. Nothing inappropriate about connecting that word to those ANIMALS. How do you like that? I'll take it one step further and call them "animals", and together, those youth formed a Pack of Animals. Got a problem with that?
ReplyDeleteI'll go ahead and take issue with it. Even when the issue at hand is a set of completely unacceptable, "monstrous," or "animalistic" behaviors, we are still talking about human behavior. When you suggest that certain people are not human, you are in effect conceding that any higher standard should be expected of them. You also run perilously close to the kind of dehumanizing, eliminationist rhetoric that should never be tolerated (i.e., calling political or racial out-groups "cockroaches," and the like).
ReplyDeleteMoreover, I'm not really sure why anyone thinks that this kind of rhetoric serves a constructive purpose -- other than some sort of sad catharsis for the writer. These acts can be condemned just as forcefully, and appeals to social responsibility can be made unequivocally, without recourse to this sort of divisive language. If the aim is to persuade people who aren't 100% on board already, it's not going to be very effective.
Firstly, the word animal is definitely inappropriate and only serves to inflame and play into racial stereotypes.
ReplyDeleteSecondly the word monster does fit the definition of psychologically hideous and morally objectionable and can also be applied figuratively to a person with similar characteristics. Death, destruction, mayhem, robbery, involving firearms and runaway cars all for $23 and a blackberry, I think psychologically hideous and morally objectionable is qualified here on many levels ergo monster is accurate. Uncomfortable for some but accurate yes and most defiantly accurate for the victims of these monsters.
Moving on, the real issue for me is the deafening silence by some regarding this monstrous behavior, while criticism is directed at the police tactics and choice of words only goes to show a denial of this monstrous behavior that ultimately enables this behavior and these tragic events.
Well said, Pete, though westsider seems invested in name-calling as an effective response to the incident. Westsider, some of the deafening silence can probably be attributed to a reluctance to be aligned with you, even though our goals my be the same. What you are defending serves no useful purpose.
ReplyDeletePete, they are talking about humans dehumanizing other humans and behaving animalistic, hence the appropriate adjectives.
ReplyDeleteWhen you terrorize the community and create havoc and destruction, hey, guess what?... the community deserves a pass if they're instincts are to label the offenders as anything but human.
You of course have full license to get scholarly on the subject and try to get us all in line to use responsible language when referring to the menacing individuals so as to not add fire to their fuel but to delve further into the unique social experiences that have led them to this point.
You do come across as either arrogant or with your head completely in the clouds as you try to "enlighten" people by schooling down their choice of language as they speak in the state of emotion one would be expected to speak in when their community has just been being terrorized.
My take: No kit-glove baby talk labeling for murders (animals and monsters alike.)
A-Lister,
ReplyDeleteWe who object to the labeling and name-calling are also responsible and outraged members of the community. Dehumanizing venting may make some people feel better, but it doesn't help, and even separates otherwise like-minded people from each other. So what purpose does it serve?
Whoa! Beginning to sound a little bit like Curbed on here. We're all outraged! The actions of those 2 young men will never be acceptable or OK but to label human beings as monsters or animals isn't OK either. Sure you can start out by blaming their parents but that's also making assumptions - the biggest being that they even have parents. The problem more likely is society as a whole and the culture and environment that led to this behavior and it doesn't let anyone off the hook...not one of us (everyone here included). I would venture to guess that not even the nun that was killed would refer to them as monsters. A snippet from the NY Post article read:
ReplyDeleteSister Loretta thought of her friend and how her life came to an end. She said she knew that Sister Mary Celine would have forgiven the man charged with killing her.
“I’m not thinking in terms of punishment,” Sister Loretta said. “But somehow he needs to get some counseling, some training. Whatever will change his mind and his heart.”
I trust at least some of you are going to attempt to alleviate the situation by joining a mentoring group rather than just argue semantics.
ReplyDeleteYep I'm in two in Harlem (East & Central) already as well as a volunteer in a food pantry in Harlem because I honestly do believe it is everyone's issue to help solve. (I'm the last anonymous posting by the way with the NY Post snippet just in case you were referring specifically to me). Have a good evening everyone!!
ReplyDeleteThank you for reminding us of Sister Mary Celine. She almost certainly would be in favor of peace on this blog. I'm through arguing; already making a positive contribution in other ways.
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