Sunday, July 11th, 5:00 PM - 6:00 PM. The triplex townhouse condo at 103 West 119th Street has been on for a year now and has recently been reduced to $999K from the original $1.025 million asking price. The 2,467 square foot triplex apartment has two bedrooms, three full baths, one partial bath and backyard garden. We haven't seen too many townhouse condos out there and this one is on one of the better blocks adjacent to the Mount Morris Park Historic District and close to the boutique shops at Lenox. The closest train is the 2,3 at 116th Street or 125th. Has anyone looked at this space? Facade photo by Ulysses
Saturday, July 10, 2010
☞ DWELL: 103 West 119th Street Condo
Sunday, July 11th, 5:00 PM - 6:00 PM. The triplex townhouse condo at 103 West 119th Street has been on for a year now and has recently been reduced to $999K from the original $1.025 million asking price. The 2,467 square foot triplex apartment has two bedrooms, three full baths, one partial bath and backyard garden. We haven't seen too many townhouse condos out there and this one is on one of the better blocks adjacent to the Mount Morris Park Historic District and close to the boutique shops at Lenox. The closest train is the 2,3 at 116th Street or 125th. Has anyone looked at this space? Facade photo by Ulysses
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What is the empty lot next to it? A buyer would probably be smart to see what goes up there. If a methadone clinic or homeless shelter is proposed they would be stupid to buy.
ReplyDeleteThere is a subsidized low income/transitional housing building at 122 West 119th, but many of the buildings on 119th are privately owned or HDFC. The building is managed by ECDO, a big recipient of city buildings needing "revitalization." It may not be true across the board, but the buildings they manage on 127th, off St. Nicholas, are rather, well, unmanaged. The residents are destructive and hostile.
ReplyDeleteI heard somewhere that a new condominium building is going into the lot.
The lot next door is a small gated parking lot. It is in the historic district so if a building ever gets built, it would have to be approved by the landmarks commission.
ReplyDeleteAnyone who buys this is an idiot. For slightly more you could have a 3-faimly house and make an extra 40k in income.
ReplyDeleteAnon @ 1:02am, tell me where you could get a 3 family house for the same price (or slightly more) in the historic district? All of the ones I have seen are around 1.5 million.
ReplyDeleteChris, the answer is Hamilton Heights.
ReplyDeletehamilton heights can't be compared to central or west harlem.
ReplyDeleteoh give me a break 9.30pm, it's better!
ReplyDeletewhether it's better or not is subjective. although hamilton heights is a lovely historic place, it doesn't have what lower harlem has in terms of history, transportation, and central location imho.
ReplyDeleteHamilton Heights is a nice area, but Central Harlem has a lot more to offer in terms of convenience, transportation, restaurants etc. which reflects in the higher price per sq. ft. It appears the private sector is finally catching on with the soon to open Aloft Hotel and hopefully soon to come Hyatt on 125th. Agree with 8:34 though, 'better' is open to interpretation.
ReplyDeleteBack to this property, I think the price is about right. 119th is a lovely block. There is a penthouse apartment available (I think) for a higher price per sq. ft. than this one.
hamilton heights can offer a serenity and calm Central Harlem cannot even sniff! some of us prefer and covet that ya know, it's more more a rare dimension of a nabe than there meirts of Project & riff raff infested Central Harlem. Not everyone wants to be in the "thick" of activity, and the "thick" that Central Harlem offers ain't that pretty anyway, in fact, the vast majority is still very much a ghetto & dump.
ReplyDeleteMuch of Hamilton Heights is an "enclave" of homes, largely equity holders with a stake in the nabe. We don't have the riff raff traveling through. Most of Central Harlem is Sec 8, Mega Projects, etc. and even if you own a condo, brownstone, townhouse or have shares in a coop, you have total low life people non stop 24/7/365 immediately in your space of dwelling, an element we simply don't have in Ham Heights.
wow...most pompous post of the year award goes to anon 9:40am. BTW..how is that place coming along on 140th & Riverside? You know..the one for ex convicts/murderers.
ReplyDeleteOh, being in the thick of activity IS the whole point of living in New York City. You know, that is what people who live here actually thrive upon. Central Harlem has a bit of everything...great restaurants and easy access to three great parks (Central Park, Mount Morris Park and Morningside Park) if you want to get away from it all.
What you describe is more akin to the suburbs. Why not just go and live in Westchester? Plenty of peace and quiet up there!
Poster at 10:38: The poster with whom you disagree is far more realistic about central Harlem, although the particular block under discussion is not the worst. All of the packaging and recourses to history in the world will not change the facts. There remains A LOT to address in central Harlem. In fact, a challenge of Hamilton Heights is that one must too frequently pass through central Harlem.
ReplyDeleteQuestions:
ReplyDeleteWhich are the "great" restaurants in central harlem ? I mean, actually great in the larger scheme of things, not just in this context.
Have you been to Morningside Park lately, say, on a weekend ?
How is not wanting to live around trash, litter, vandalism, and ranting residents suburban ?
10:48, he isn't realistic at all. No mention of the positives that Central Harlem has to offer. "All of the packaging and recourses to history in the world will not change the facts:" - deep down you are watching with envy the amount of development on FDB, 125th etc & hoping/praying for that next restaurant/coffee shop to head up your way. GL in your retirement village!
ReplyDeleteAmy Ruths - 113 West 116th
ReplyDeleteBillie's Black Bar/Lounge/Restaurant - 119th
Chez Lucienne - 125th
Frizzante Bistro & Bar - FDB
Il Caffe Latte - 119th/120th
Native - 118th
Settepani - 120th & Lenox
Let me know if you need a few more. Oh, and Red Rooster opening in the fall on 125th & Lenox...Marcus Samuelsson. You might have heard of him.
Hey 11:00, Can you state the positives ? I mean, specifically.
ReplyDeleteThe express train is one obvious one but I am not sure this counts, beign something that take people quickly OUT of the area.
In fact, I live in the coffee-shop land of FDB, no envy here. I do have an intimate and honest knowledge of central Harlem, however.
Thanks for the list but none of those places are yet up to "great." Still, we frequent them, almost every day. So I know.
ReplyDeleteNone are in central Harlem, really. They are in a somewhat superficially gentrified area that we have nicknamed "south Harlem." And for that area, you missed Questan's the one place that is actually very good a lot of the time. Native is quite good as well, nearing that designation. But the others ... mixed. And certainly not great. You also missed Melba's, sometimes good but never consistent. This is their downfall.
In central Harlem proper, the very very best restaurant is Londel's. Now, Londel's is often great.
Haven't tried Lonel's, but definitely willing to give it a shot. I have also heard Questan's is pretty good. Amy Ruth's IS awesome! Well, the few times I have been there. Anyway, there is a ton of recent development from 125th down to 110th and maybe that encompasses both Central Harlem and South Harlem. To be honest, I'm not sure where one starts and the other ends. I for one enjoy the hustle and bustle of East, Central and South Harlem, which may not be everybody's cup of tea.
ReplyDelete11:22, AM, contrary to your words, on that list, Chez Lucienne is firmly in Central Harlem, no one would dispute this. Londel's is very much hit and miss and to be honest, an elegant dining spot for the Oldsmobile generation. I've never walked by or gone there and have it not be majority senior citizens dining. I think they "card you" and if you're not a member of AARP, you might not get in. Furthermore, 3 out of 5 stars on YELP is nothing special, so please, pipe down on Londel's please. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteWhat I long for in dining in Central Harlem? Believe or not a great Taco Truck. Forget about these restaurants that want you to spend $50+ tax & tip in general. I don't cook, get take out and dine out every single night. Central & South Harlem Both need a great Taco Truck. There are some near Taco Truck like places on E 116th....but really, Every taco truck I've been to had fresher food than most of the Harlem restaurants.
Imagine a great Taco Truck in Central or South Harlem where you can get dinner for 2, freshly cut and made on the spot, $10 for two people....
I, too, have enjoyed Londels', and 1:09 should be ashamed of him/herself for commenting on a restaurant that they have not visited. It is not actually senior citizen populated, not that there is anything wrong with that, but it is an old Harlem-type place. How did you gain this information without visiting ?!
ReplyDeleteLucienne is often not good, much less great. And the service ...?
The home is not in a historic district. It is adjacent. Move 5 streets up and there are 3 family brownstones between 1.50 and 1.5 million.
ReplyDeleteIf you purchase a 3 family the bank allows you to count the expected rent role as part of your current income. In my situation I have a renovated 1 bedroom + deck and a 2 bedroom duplex with garden both with a combined monthly rent of 4,500 which was considered income during my mortgage process. If you can afford 999K you can easily afford a 3 family. Also, a 3 family over the long run is a much better and smarter investment. Look at the past 2 years of condo sales and I think you will agree. This has not even taken into consideration the sky high monthly maintenance charges with a condo. $600 maintenance fee is considered cheap. At least in a huge building you get amenities. In a condo like this you will get your garbage taken out.
I fogrot one more thing a 3 faimly at a 1.05 would at lest come with central air.
ReplyDeleteGuys,
ReplyDeleteCan we cut it out with the pointless "turf wars" and try to stay somewhere close to on topic in these threads? Please?
A taco truck is one digression I heartily approve of, however...
It was not so long ago that any improvement above 110th street was universally welcomed as a rising tide that lifts all boats. We have come a long way since then to the point of dueling over whose part of Harlem is better. The good news is everyone seems to love the piece of Harlem they call home, me included.
ReplyDeleteWell said westsider.
ReplyDeleteWould someone please supply a link to a 3 family townhouse below W. 125 St. that can be purchased for 1.5 mil? I've been looking for that and haven't been able to find one. I've only been able to find one family townhouses that are asking 1.7 to 1.8. I'd much appreciate it!!!
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